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Post by AxeMental on Jul 8, 2005 17:29:00 GMT -5
Does anyone have a complete list of when system shock is supposed to be used in AD&D? Also, is there any optional rules related to using system shock?
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Post by mistere29 on Jul 9, 2005 10:17:59 GMT -5
Well the big one people seem to forget is aging attacks. Hence the "my palyers aren't afraid of X" nonsense you hear from Zebheads and 3-tards. Petrification and polymorph attacks are the other 2 big ones.
I remeber gary said he didn't use the roll for haste or any beneficial spells the party used on it's self.
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Post by grodog on Jul 12, 2005 23:50:05 GMT -5
I've definitely used it via house rule for the most heinous attacks/spells/artifact effects/etc.---the nastiest ones have a saving throw first vs. a CON drain effect, then a SS roll against your possibly-lowered CON stat....
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Post by foster1941 on Aug 4, 2005 11:29:06 GMT -5
I don't have my 1E PHB/DMG at hand, so I'm not 100% sure if the rule about requiring a system shock roll from massive damage was part of 1E. If you take 50 points or more of damage from a single attack (not in a single round, but from a single attack), then you needed to role a system shock roll. I'm pretty sure that was still a 1E rule, but it might have been...ahem...added in later.  The latter. Such a rule definitely isn't in the 1E PH, DMG, or UA. It might've shown up in one of the post-Gygax books (Survival Guides, etc.) or a Dragon article, or maybe one of the post-Gygax modules (like the H series; I remember H4 had a section on how to challenge 100th level characters and this seems like the kind of rules they might have suggested there). But it didn't make it into the "core" rules until, well, you know... |
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Post by dzubak on Aug 4, 2005 13:08:29 GMT -5
I don't have my 1E PHB/DMG at hand, so I'm not 100% sure if the rule about requiring a system shock roll from massive damage was part of 1E. If you take 50 points or more of damage from a single attack (not in a single round, but from a single attack), then you needed to role a system shock roll. I'm pretty sure that was still a 1E rule, but it might have been...ahem...added in later. This sounds like the massive damage rule that was added in the 2nd Edition PHB. |
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Post by mistere29 on Aug 4, 2005 13:52:21 GMT -5
I'd be very suprised if it came from 1e, since it's a definite case of a rule meant to "fix" a rule the designer didn't understand.
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Post by Semaj The Silent on Aug 4, 2005 14:27:46 GMT -5
I remember H4 had a section on how to challenge 100th level characters... Oh... God... Anyway, with me the rule of thumb had always been: any situation that has a radical effect on the body, its metabolism, etc, requires a SS roll. |
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Post by mistere29 on Aug 8, 2005 13:46:37 GMT -5
Gary went into detail in AD&D about how hit point's where an abstraction of damage, not literal damage. So the idea that a character can die of shock from massive damage that wouldn't kill him otherwise just shows somone wasn't paying attention. SS in 1st ed was only used for for attacks that didn't cause damage.
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