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Post by northrundicandus on Apr 17, 2005 19:12:38 GMT -5
The spell obviously stops spells that attempt to go through the barrier. What about a spell like Flame Strike? Since the spell originates from another source, will that work?
Say you have a typical dungeon with a 10' corridor, leading to a much larger chamber. A spell caster in the room casts Wall of Force just inside the corridor. Could a cleric on the other side of the barrier target a Flame Strike on a spot within the room that he or she could see?
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Post by Lord Cias on Apr 20, 2005 19:24:32 GMT -5
I would say that the wall of force still stops the spell. IMO, the "magic" must still move from the caster towards the target and "through" the wall of force in order to cause the column of flame to appear above the target. Unless there was a sizeable gap between the top of the wall of force and the ceiling, the spell would not get through.
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Post by BonesMcCoy on Apr 20, 2005 19:50:45 GMT -5
I would allow the flame strike spell to work. Although the description for a wall of force says spells cannot pass through it I think that means in a physical sense. So magic missiles or lightning bolts could not pass through it but a hold person or charm person could. The wall is a physical barrier only. Besides it makes things more challenging and interesting that way. Also, a quick peek at the DMG reveals diamond dust of 10,000 gp value total must be the source for the pinch of diamond dust required by the spell. That's pretty darned expensive!
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Post by Lord Cias on Apr 21, 2005 0:08:22 GMT -5
Although the description for a wall of force says spells cannot pass through it I think that means in a physical sense. So magic missiles or lightning bolts could not pass through it but a hold person or charm person could. The wall is a physical barrier only. Ooh, that brings up a tangent, but slightly related, question. Can magic spells that don't create physical phenomenon pass through solid objects as long as the target is visible to the caster? For example, could a magic-user cast charm person on someone standing behind a 6' thick stone wall that is transparent due to a glassee spell? What about normal glass?
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Post by AxeMental on Apr 21, 2005 7:40:10 GMT -5
The question here is what is the line of attack. I would not allow sleep, something occurs between the space of the caster and the persons effected. The line of attack of the spell flame strike is "from above". The person prays for a spell to go into effect and it drops down on the area requested. But a DM could disagree. Its there call.
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Post by PapersAndPaychecks on Apr 21, 2005 7:52:03 GMT -5
Can magic spells that don't create physical phenomenon pass through solid objects as long as the target is visible to the caster? For example, could a magic-user cast charm person on someone standing behind a 6' thick stone wall that is transparent due to a glassee spell? What about normal glass? I'd say that it varies from spell to spell. I don't feel that you could cast a magic missile or a lightning bolt through a Wall of Force, because the spell needs to proceed directly from the caster to the target and the Wall of Force is interposed. However, I concur with Bones that you could cast a Flame Strike through a Wall of Force, because in that case the pillar of fire comes down from the heavens rather than emanating from the caster. Therefore if the Wall of Force does not extend over the target's head, the Flame Strike will land. (This interpretation would mean that a Meteor Swarm would work as well, which is a nice idea. The caster could use a Wall of Force for point defence and then cast a Meteor Swarm with ground zero quite close to him, but still remain in perfect safety. But then, people who attack 18th level Archmages should expect that kind of thing to happen to them imo). The Charm Person case is an interesting one. I would say that the Charm would land - but the Wall of Force does screen out sound, so if the WoF was cast blocking the entrance to a room and the caster then cast Charm through it, s/he would need further magic such as a Ventriloquism spell before being able to communicate with the charmee.
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Post by AxeMental on Apr 21, 2005 9:38:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't allow the meteor storm if the wall of force went to the cieling. The source is still the caster, and the target is still the room behind the wall. While with clerical spells thats questionable. Charm def. not for me.
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